The horse racing trixie bet

Inspired by Punter's Trixie thread (to be found here)...

http://www.betnod.com/threads/the-trixie-bet.2483/

...I'm going to do a few horse racing trixie bets, the first of which will be at Carlisle tomorrow. I hadn't planned it this way but all three are around the 5/2 mark. The annoying thing is that three different bookies currently have the best price on each of them and so I'm forced to leave my bets until tomorrow to put them on.

It actually gives me a good excuse to enlighten those who have never thought about this before but, rather than put a trixie on with one bookie, it would, more often than not, (if you have the time and inclination and if the races aren't too close together time-wise) pay to place the bets separately and take advantage of whichever bookie had the best price at the time.
The methodology is pretty obvious but I'll use tomorrow's "trixie" bet as a live example.

A trixie bet is three doubles and a treble to the same stakes, so you would make three selections and the stakes would be as follows:

£5 on the double, selection A and selection B
£5 double A and C
£5 double B and C
£5 treble A B and C

Now, personally, I've never understood why anyone would want to put the same stake on the treble as they have on the doubles, given that there is obviously less chance of it winning and, if it does, you already have a decent profit with your three doubles anyway. I'd much rather split my stakes into 3 x £6 doubles and a £2 treble in the knowledge that a steady supply of doubles will bring in a steady profit rather than relying on hitting the treble (but that's just me).

Anyway, supposing we were putting on the level stake £5 trixie, and race A is off at 2pm, B at 3pm and C at 4pm, the initial bets would have to be placed as follows.

Race A
£5 on the treble
£5 on double A and B
£5 on double A and C
So a total of £15 needs to be staked on horse A, plus £5 on horse B (or a £5 double if one individual bookie happens to be offering the best odds available on both).

If horse A fails, then it's just a matter of piling any winnings from horse B onto the third horse in the 4 oclock race but the other advantage of doing your bet this way is that you could choose to take some of your money back if horse A or B happened to win.

If horse A wins, a third of your returns go onto horse C and two thirds go onto horse B (1/3 for the double and 1/3 for the treble). Providing you don't want to withdraw a little bit first of course.

If horse B wins, you've dragged your double and you put the other half of your winnings onto horse C.

Simples (I hope - I've been watching the footy so I hope that makes sense)

Anyway, tomorrow's bet (to keep it simple, I'll use the 5/2 odds (providing there are no non-runners, in which case, I'll use SP for simplicity)

330 Carlisle Silver Samba
400 Tellovoi
430 Carl Absent Amy

5pt trixie (20pts staked).

If the first horse loses, I'll place a 6pt single bet on the 400 horse to get my stake back, bumping my stakes up to 26 pts.

Thanks mate. Im hoping to add one a day at least while there are a lot of meetings on.

Seems the old Trixie is more common than I had imagined. Are you up or down on the year so far Traeth?

I'm down 26 points on yesterday's donkeys but luckily I have plenty more donkeys up my sleeve (bet u won't hear that said anywhere else this week unless you happen to be going to some sort if Wizzards convention).

All at Stratford this aft'

220 Refer (plus a 10pt win bet) 2/1
320 Tri Nations 6/1 outsider of five and drifting
350 Gavriche Gaugin - 3/1
fucked up the spelling of the last one but its plain enough to make sense.

5pt trixie plus 10single - 30pts staked today, 56 in total

Nice one, but I'd be concerned about drinking with people who can't understand that how much profit your horse makes is more important than how many winners you pick. Do you keep a tally of what the singles returns would be from your winners compared to theirs? Surely anyone would be able to see the logic in that. Focusing on trying to pick winners at any price encourages people to just go for favourites in my experience.

I've been part of a similar pub set up as yourself and I know what your frustration will be like. I've got a mate who can work out dart scores almost before the tip hits the board but who insists on adding the values of the balls up to see how many points are left when we are down to the colours on a snooker table. It drives me FUCKING MENTAL.

Forgot to mention that Refer won at 2/1 today to return the day's stakes. 26pts down after two attempts.

Fridays bets. Only using the £6 single bet on the last one if the other 2 have both lost, otherwise 15 pts staked

230 Chester snow powder 11/4
240 thirsk Emef Diamond 7/4
310 thirsk Song of Roland 5/2.

I'd be pretty confident of a winne or two from these to be honest so if anyone was tempted to back them in singles , I wouldn't put them off -I'd also add Enobled in the 355 race at 7/2. Strong fav to overcome but if it beats that it probably wins.

Two winners today at 15/8 and 11/4. Will update the figures later but I'm going to have to do the next one in the way I described above, as I only have one selection so far and it's off in five minutes.

Mandy's Boy 4/1 15pts staked 555 thirsk

Beaten in a photograph and traded at 1.4 in running. C'est la vie.

615 Salisbury Lady Marl 13/2

That's a 5pt win to lose 20 in total in today's 2nd trixie

No good. One more for tonight

700 southwell Picalily 3/1
715 salisbury Royal Signaller 7/1
730 southwell sixties queen 4/1

Adding 5pt single on the 700 horse just in case it's the only winner. 25 pts staked

700 Pissed it.